@abbenm @enkiv2

Oh it's an ugly, ugly beast for sure. The breadth and depth, let alone attack surface as you mentioned, is staggering. And constantly growing to boot...

The Intercepts job is to protect sources though. They have 2 pros hired for it. How has it not been automated or put on a checklist of things to do every damn time? Requires 0 background info to follow basic instructions like "don't hand original, re-type".

Hurts, if not kills, chances of future leaks.

@sten0_SE @abbenm
Hurts Intercept, for sure. And they were very visible to people outside of the community. Not sure you *can* hurt leaks per-se; they have such a huge impact now, and there's always the ability to pastebin stuff via tor or something.

What will suffer isn't leaking but instead the habit of journalists accepting leaks and deciding which parts to release. We'll see more wikileaks-style big dumps.

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@enkiv2 @sten0_SE @abbenm Most democratic countries have long developed legal frameworks for journalists and their publishing organisations, specifically protecting their source material and informants.

Doesn't help much when the journalists dish out unedited original documents by themselves.

@galaxis @enkiv2 Do you consider the USA to be one of the democratic countries with sufficiently robust legal frameworks that sources can leak info of legitimate public interest to reporters without fear of reprisal? This is admittedly a separate can of worms, but of all the charges to level at Intercept, "whistleblowers are adequately protected by existing statutes" is not one of the easier cases to make.

@abbenm @galaxis
Any country with an intelligence apparatus is probably not safe for government whistleblowers, regardless of ostensible legal protections.

The United States has problems related to the enforcement of even laws that don't relate to classified information. On top of that, the IC is entangled with grey-legal and extralegal actions domestically and abroad, going back half a century.

So, no -- not at all.

@galaxis @abbenm
Of all the first world countries, I'd rank the US around the same as Israel and Russia in terms of whistleblower safety.

Germany seems to be significantly better. But, we have to recognize that whistleblower protection is basically driven by PR. An unpopular whistleblower probably won't be safe anywhere.

@enkiv2 @abbenm Heh. Discussion over here mostly sees our whistleblower protections as woefully inadequate.

It is one of those things where the details have to be frequently renegotiated as society and technology change. Unfortunately, in the current political climate, this almost always means making things worse. Fear of terrorism is a big driver in the wrong direction.

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